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Report From the Domino V11 Jam in Stockholm

January 23rd, 2019 | Posted by elfworld in Domino | IBM

Domino V11 Jam

A lot of worries were calmed, especially for Cloud customers and Xpages developers, during the Domino V11 Jam in Stockholm. And there were great ideas and discussions. Read all about the event here.

Monday January 21st I attended IBM’s Domino V11 Jam in Stockholm, Sweden. This was the eleventh jam in this round, and there were also jams like this for V10. IBM and HCL take the suggestions and feedback that the customers and business partners who attend come up with back to their strategic teams and developers.

Around 50 people turned up, which I was very happy about. I was the only Norwegian in the room and there was at least one Dane there too.

Uffe Sørensen started by wishing us welcome. He then informed us that from February 1st he is moving to HCL, since HCL have bought the entire Notes/Domino portfolio from IBM. I suspect we will get more news like this in the coming weeks. I’ve spoken to a few IBM-ers working with IBM Collaboration Solutions who are nervously facing a very insecure job future.

Andrew Manby then took over from the US, and he showed us the rodmap for V10 and V11:

Domino jam

 

While V10 was mostly focused on the Domino server, to get It up to speed for more modern technologies, V11 would focus more on the user interface. Especially for the Notes client.

He then took us through what had been successful and what had not been so successful for Domino V10:

Good and bad

 

He also had some news:

  • Group 1 languages will appear soon. The translation of the Notes client and designer has been slow coming. Turns out that while IBM had a huge department and lots of resources for translating the software, HCL did not. But it’s on it’s way.
  • Domino will run om IBM i
  • Domino Mobile Apps will also be released for Android later this year (yay!)
  • IBM Enterprise Integrator coming for 10 and 11
  • Sametime 10 will be able to run without the need for a browser plugin (yay!)
  • Sametime will also get rid of its dependency of DB2 and Websphere. The platform will be much more open in the future

The vision forward for HCL is that Notes/Domino should be the go to platform for no or low code. Meaning that ordinary users should be able to set up applications and solutions for presenting and manipulating data

He also mentioned the new Forester paper that showed how great the TCO is if you’re running Domino.

Jim Kirkpatrick from HCL then took over. He’s a former IBM-er and also took questions from the attendees, which both him, Uffe and Andrew answered.

Key points:

  • The deal between IBM and HCL isn’t finished yet, but will be in the middle of 2019. Until then it’s business as usual
  • HCL already has a partner program called HCL Partner Connect, but it’s still not decided exactly how IBM Business partners will be transferred to that program, if at all. But a partner program for ICS will be in place
  • A question from the floor on how sales and distribution would be handled in the future was answered by Andrew. He said that it was important to keep today’s business partners, as they have the knowledge and customer base. IBM and HCL will analyse what has worked and what hasn’t worked with today’s partner program before deciding how to make the transition. But from IBM’s viewpoint, there are no reasons for dismantling the business partner program when HCL takes over
  • Eclipse will remain in V11, so that people depending on plugins and Xpages can relax. We then had a debate on whether this was a strength or weakness. Some people said that to be able to move into the future with the platform, it had to shed old baggage.
  • There has been a lot of talk of on premise, but little mention of people on SmartCloud. People on SmartCloud and IBM Connections Cloud can relax: HCL and IBM will take care of you as well, you are not forgotten
  • The future of Xpages is so far up in the air. They will re-open community contributions but other than that there’s little news. Thus far Xpages will still be supported. Some pointed out that not developing Xpages further was the same as abandoning it. IBM and HCL promised to give us a clear message about the future of Xpages and Java on the Domino platform in the near future

We then split up for the rest of the day into groups: Administrators (I was in that group), Developers and Customers. We all had whiteboards that were split into four squares: Outcomes, Tasks, Challenges and Decisions. After writing our ideas, wishes and complaints on post-it notes, we hung them up into the square we felt it fit.

Post-its

 

We were then told to group them into categories, before each group did a few minutes of presentation of our points.

After lunch we did similar exercises, but for other themes. In short, I can sum up the feedback that HCL and IBM took with them like this:

  • Email and calendar is very important for users
  • Integration between various email and calendar platforms should be much easier with Domiono
  • Developers wanted true source control, not the sort-of-source-control-situation that we have today
  • Continuous integration and delivery
  • The possibility to use even more Javascript frameworks, as well as other languages
  • Easier administration and deployment of the Notes client
  • Get rid of the ID-file
  • Make it easier for users to do self servicing (like changing their passwords)
  • Make it easier to brand and customize the client to make it look more similar to other Windows applications
  • Create a better embedded experience
  • Make it easier to monitor and create statistics from your Domino environment
  • HTML email should work much better
  • Sorting of searches is not working very well. Some wanted the ability to search within a search result (which I maintain you actually can do today)

In short: Notes/Domino is still a very important part of several companies infrastructure, so as long as HCL doesn’t miss the boat, they have a great opportunity for renewal. But: They also have a huge challenge when it comes to sales and marketing, not to mention pulling in new customers, developers and users.

After six hours, the jam was finished, and I think most people who came there were happy with it. And I also got to promote the Norwegian user group’s upcoming Nordic User Group conference that will take place in June in the very same rooms where the jam took place. The feedback I got when I asked if people would attend was great.

There will be more Domino V11 news both there, at IBM Think in February, Engage in May and DNUG later on. Stay tuned.

 

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11 Responses

  • Hi,

    I do not understand why IBM/HCL is not updating XPages with the latest JSF, open it up for other UI frameworks for JSF. That would be really TCO for those who invested in Domino! They could skip maintaining Bootstrap in XPages.

    I wonder if the Forrester paper also takes in account the costs of transition from XPages to JavaScript ? If a major XPages projects costs a couple of months for a couple of people transforming these apps into Node-JS apps minimalizes the TCO.

    But for now I am subliminally brainwashed that I will not be a Java programmer in the future and have to learn a JavaScript framework that is maintained by another tech company (Facebook or Google) .

    Hope to see you in June in Stockholm and if you need a presenter on XPages I am glad to help you.

    • elfworld says:

      Interesting thoughts, Patrick. And yes, we are VERY interested in a session from you on Xpages. I’ll get back to you.

    • John Detterline says:

      While I agree that a short term update/refresh of XPages would be beneficial to existing clients, I think the Notes/Domino community will be better served in the long run, by adding/improving features that allow Domino to be used with more popular frameworks. While it’s true that converting XPages to a new framework would lower TCO for existing apps, it also improves TCO for new customers who are already using a popular framework.
      From a new sales perspective, I would think it would be much easier to get companies to try Domino, if they can utilize existing skill sets.
      Perhaps keeping/revamping XPages so it provides the quickest development experience while providing other options? I look forward to seeing HCL’s development roadmap.

  • Mark Maden says:

    Hi
    Did XPages have any ‘friends’ in attendance flying the flag. I get the impression these events are attendent by ‘high end developers’ who advocated XPages a few years ago, then moved on to other things. I’m sure there is a thriving XPage community out there that is under-represented.

    The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

    • elfworld says:

      Xpages do get some love in those circles, but it’s no secret that in the 11 years Xpages has been around, it never took off as IBM had hoped. I think it was too difficult and it like most things Domino, IBM neglected it. My company has created a lot of Xpages solutions, and some of them are today suffering because the Java frameworks is years behind today’s standards.

  • Wayne Sobers says:

    I’m mildly surprised about the emphasis on improvement of email in the client (although it is needed) vs improved app dev in the client. To me the lowest overhead in creating and deploying an app is the form design in the client. That and the management of said apps is what I would like to see. I hope they improve what is there rather than go off on a tangent with another programming paradigm that’s incomplete and a challenge to manage.
    Mark asks if any “friends” of XPages where in attendance. Based on the feedback list, the same could be said of client side developers. (I did not see anything about client UI improvements)
    In any case, there appears to be enough improvement to go around, and with time and luck HCL will be able to make everyone happy.

    • elfworld says:

      There were talks about client UI improvements, and I’ve been part of a team that has been evaluating the design of the Notes V11 client. Unfortunately I’m under NDA and can’t disclose anything. However, there will be lots of good stuff happening on the UI side.

      A lot of the people at this jam were developers, yes. And developers don’t use Notes…

  • Mark Maden says:

    I couldn’t agree more Wayne, I only moved to developing in XPages, because I was under the impression the writing was on the wall for the client. Now it seems XPages is the one to go. Developing for the Notes Client could be improved greatly, but as you say, it is a breeze.

  • Chiheb Charmiti says:

    I understand taht Domino need to be opened to other technologies and languages(Node.js) but i don’t understand why IBM/HCL must punish all of people/developers who remain faithful to Domino and spend many years investing on XPages.

    • elfworld says:

      As I changed jobs in December, and I’m now in a company that has invested heavily in Xpages, both for applications running in the Notes client, as well as on the web and in widgets, I agree. It would be very costly to chuck all that work out and replace it with other technologies.



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